Comments on: How To Teach PHP http://benramsey.com/archives/how-to-teach-php/ PHP and Other Techno-babble Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:59:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: david | rasch — Management, Software, and Technology » don’t eat paste (learning PHP part iii) http://benramsey.com/archives/how-to-teach-php/comment-page-1/#comment-5342 david | rasch — Management, Software, and Technology » don’t eat paste (learning PHP part iii) Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:25:25 +0000 http://benramsey.com/?p=166#comment-5342 [...] I agree and disagree with some of the points Sklar (sorry, two David’s makes this confusing) goes on to make. If I may paraphrase, Sklar is raising a point which competes with that raised by Ben in our initial discussion. My initial suggestion in the discussion with Ben indicated that books should start by teaching PHP on the command-line and slowly build up to constructing a very lightweight MVC framework and example application. One of Ben’s chief, and valid, concerns equated selling books about PHP with convincing readers or page-flippers that the book would teach them to build web pages in the first few chapters. Or that individuals might be turned off if they weren’t creating XSS attacks willy-nilly by chapter 3. I think the counter to this that Sklar raised is that by hiding the framework you turn off the people who don’t feel they’re really getting their feet wet with PHP. They feel that by using your framework they aren’t learning the ‘real guts’ of the language. [...] [...] I agree and disagree with some of the points Sklar (sorry, two David’s makes this confusing) goes on to make. If I may paraphrase, Sklar is raising a point which competes with that raised by Ben in our initial discussion. My initial suggestion in the discussion with Ben indicated that books should start by teaching PHP on the command-line and slowly build up to constructing a very lightweight MVC framework and example application. One of Ben’s chief, and valid, concerns equated selling books about PHP with convincing readers or page-flippers that the book would teach them to build web pages in the first few chapters. Or that individuals might be turned off if they weren’t creating XSS attacks willy-nilly by chapter 3. I think the counter to this that Sklar raised is that by hiding the framework you turn off the people who don’t feel they’re really getting their feet wet with PHP. They feel that by using your framework they aren’t learning the ‘real guts’ of the language. [...]

]]> By: Jad http://benramsey.com/archives/how-to-teach-php/comment-page-1/#comment-5324 Jad Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:28:30 +0000 http://benramsey.com/?p=166#comment-5324 Well, I think PHP world including Community, publishers, developers needs radical changes in their mindset. I have met many developers who learned Python by developing using TurboGear and many others has learned Ruby by using Rails. PHP is mature enough now or at least i will be with PHP6 unicode, We have the biggest diverse community (Programmer, web developers, users and scripts installer and customizers ), I guess PHP needs the radical change in community mindset. Well, I think PHP world including Community, publishers, developers needs radical changes in their mindset.
I have met many developers who learned Python by developing using TurboGear and many others has learned Ruby by using Rails.

PHP is mature enough now or at least i will be with PHP6 unicode, We have the biggest diverse community (Programmer, web developers, users and scripts installer and customizers ), I guess PHP needs the radical change in community mindset.

]]> By: Nathan Smith http://benramsey.com/archives/how-to-teach-php/comment-page-1/#comment-5318 Nathan Smith Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:42:26 +0000 http://benramsey.com/?p=166#comment-5318 For what it's worth, I'd be up for reading a book that teaches best practices first, applicability second. I consider myself more of a front-end guy, and for me I thrive on understanding the best way to do things first, and then applying them. It's the whole notion behind Web Standards, so I don't see why teaching a programming language need be any different. Keep pushing for the best, and highest quality publications and the marketability will follow because of the pragmatism it will bring in the long run. For what it’s worth, I’d be up for reading a book that teaches best practices first, applicability second. I consider myself more of a front-end guy, and for me I thrive on understanding the best way to do things first, and then applying them. It’s the whole notion behind Web Standards, so I don’t see why teaching a programming language need be any different. Keep pushing for the best, and highest quality publications and the marketability will follow because of the pragmatism it will bring in the long run.

]]> By: PHPDeveloper.org http://benramsey.com/archives/how-to-teach-php/comment-page-1/#comment-5317 PHPDeveloper.org Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:18:27 +0000 http://benramsey.com/?p=166#comment-5317 <strong>Ben Ramsey's Blog: How To Teach PHP</strong> Ben Ramsey’s Blog: How To Teach PHP

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